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The Lawfare Podcast

Andrei Soldatov on Russian Intel Ops and Surveillance

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.7 • 6.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 November 2017

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Matters Russia have been prevalent in U.S. politics since news of the Kremlin’s meddling in the 2016 elections first surfaced. It's time to pay some serious attention to the Russian surveillance apparatus. Andrei Soldatov, a Russian investigative journalist and co-author of the book, “The Red Web,” brings a unique interpretation of the Kremlin’s actions as an independent reporter in the very country Americans find so confusing. Special guest host Alina Polyakova, David M. Rubenstein fellow in Brookings’s Foreign Policy Program, interviewed Soldatov last week to discuss Russia’s perspective on the 2016 election meddling, the Kremlin’s surveillance operations, Edward Snowden, and much more.  

This is the first podcast in a new project between in which Polyakova will shed light on Russian politics and society on the Lawfare Podcast in an effort to understand the Kremlin’s intentions toward and engagement with the West.

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The Kremlin really believe that they are on defensive.

0:37.0

They believe that they are on the constant attack,

0:41.0

and that actually explains why Putin was personally involved in many of these stories.

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So, many of these things are seen as a direct attack on him.

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And some things you just cannot do without Putin,

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especially the United States.

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It's a very emotional topic for him from the very beginning.

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And just remember that when he became the president,

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he tried to please George W. Bush for some years.

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He was the very first foreign leader to make a call after 9-11.

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He gave up some military facilities in Cuba and Vietnam to please the United States.

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Because he wanted to be treated as equal to be respected.

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And the moment he understood or he decided that he was betrayed,

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that triggered his emotional reaction.

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All this old conspiracy theories, all these old paranoia,

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just immediately, he felt that finally he had a proof.

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