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This is Gavin Newsom

And, This Is How Trump Loses His Base with Tim Miller of The Bulwark

This is Gavin Newsom

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News, Society & Culture

3.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

The Bulwark's Tim Miller joins the podcast to discuss being a leading figure in the Never Trump movement, the growth of The Bulwark and how Donald Trump is starting to make the mistake of a normal politician. Plus, Tim shares what it's like spending time with the Turning Point crowd and which Democrats could actually reach young men.


0:00 Intro
2:30 Miller's Media Diet
4:34 How Miller Came To Elevate The Bulwark
10:34 How To Understand The Trump Origin Story 
16:12 Who Really Benefits From Trump's Success
26:03 How Do Democrats Win Nationally
34:05 Did Covid Turn Democrats Into The Establishment?
40:59 Miller's Relationship With Charlie Kirk & Turning Point USA
46:17 The Left's Inability To Engage Young People
52:00 Is The Theo Von Voter Up For Grabs?

 

 

 

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0:00.0

Does it scare you that it's over?

0:02.0

Governor's race ends and... I got a sell-by day. I'm a milk cart man. Like my whole childhood is my side. The Republicans were the suits. Right? We flipped. Now the Democrats are the suits. The scolds and the establishment. Why are we bombing boats in the Caribbean? Why are we bulldozing the East Wing? Why do you care so much about your peace pride? They had three trips overseas and no trips to Red America.

0:22.4

Trump is, for once, making a normal politician mistake.

0:26.8

Hey, Tim, thank you so much for taking the time.

0:29.7

By the way, and I know it's taking the time because, as seen on TV, Tim Miller.

0:34.9

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:54.8

Guaranteed human. Every time I turn on cable. How many hits a day do you do with MS? How many? I'm doing more at Bluework YouTube hits than MS, too. I'm just grinding. It is a content grind. All right? I'm down here in the content minds. I'm just shoveling away. Okay? Now, it's not, you know, there's, there's harder jobs. You know, I'm not going to toilet to shoveling coal, but it's, it's a, you know, it's a grind. So what is it? I mean, seriously, in terms of just content now, in order to stay relevant and sort of stay in, you know, just the stream of consciousness. I mean, give us a sense of your day. What's your, you wake up, what's your morning routine?

1:11.4

How does it start? sort of stay in, you know, just the stream of consciousness. I mean, give us a sense of your day.

1:29.9

What's your, you wake up, what's your morning routine? How does it start? Yeah, well, part of the reason why you've seen me a lot is you're on Pacific Time. I don't do any morning MS now, we're calling it MS now now, because I taped the daily Bullard pot every day at 9 Central. and so luckily my husband's taking my daughter to school most days.

1:30.9

He's gone this week.

1:29.3

So I got a, I got to, I'm like reading Twitter, reading X and

1:34.5

and driving on doing unsafe driving to school this week. But, you know, usually like seven to nine.

1:41.0

I'm just seeing everything that's out there, reading, consuming, tape the pod at nine every day. And then it's like off to nine. I'm just seeing everything that's out there, reading, consuming, tape the pod

1:44.9

at nine every day. And then it's like off to the races, man. I'm like just just either consuming

1:51.5

other people's stuff or taping stuff until the evening. I do a little parenting after that,

1:57.1

you know, this little child time. And after dinner, she goes to bed and then I sit in front

2:01.7

of the TV. My husband usually does a weed gummy and puts on something he likes or if basketball's

2:08.6

on, I'll put on basketball. And then I'm just like multitasking, double screening, a little TV,

2:13.4

mostly, mostly preparing for the next day. What's your, when you prepare for the morning, the morning of, what, what are you reading? Are you reading the economists or is it just Wall Street Journal blogs? What do you have? What, what's your morning read? Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I do, I do all the newsletters just to see what I reason. You're about to hear me being a former Republican right now. You know who's good at still, even at this day of age, is Drudge. Drudge tells you what is out there. And it's just a good way for me to like, because then I'm reading all the different outlets because he's already curated that shit for me. So shout out to Drudge. But I, you know, I read the Politico Axios morning newsletters, all the other ones that people do. Ours, the Bullwarks morning newsletter is good. And, and, you know, I'm also, like, trying to listen to, like, what other, like, newsmakers were doing, you know? Like, if you were doing somebody else's show, like, I going to listen to that you're showing 2X speed, you know, so you're a chipmunk voice to try like hear what you, like what you guys are talking about like what the other big podcast interviews were from the day before. I want to hear other people are talking about whatever my guest is done recently. I'm listening to what they're doing. So, and then I'm also like MAGA. I'm deep in the Magaverse. I kind of switch back and forth. Right now I'm on DeBannon.

3:26.4

I do Bannon, Tim Dillon's podcast. Candace is kind of my little treat because I just want to hear, you know, which French Israeli assassins are coming together this week. Who else do I do? Sometimes Patrick Bet David. You got to know what the MAGA freaks are talking

3:42.3

about too. No, I love that. What about are you a Fox? I mean, in nighttime when your husband's on

3:47.4

that gummy and you, and there's no Denver Nugget game? I mean, you're flipping over to Greg?

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