So as we turn the page on 2025 and we move into 2026, I thought it was time to reflect a little bit on where we've been over the course of this last year.

We had some remarkable guests on controversial guests from Charlie Kirk to Steve Bannon, Atriac, Galloway, so many more.

Let's look back on this is Gavin Newsom.

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What's up, y'all? It's Kadeen. And DeVal, the host of the Ellis Ever After podcast. This holiday season, tune out the noise and tune in to Ellis Ever After. On Ellis Ever After, we get real with our crew about family, love and marriage, and everything else in between. Listen to Ellis Ever After on America's number one podcast network, Iheart. Follow Ellis Ever After and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Many of you are likely

familiar with my first guest on this podcast. It was nine months ago that I had Charlie Kirk on

for an extended conversation. A lot of folks had a lot of opinions about that podcast and a lot of clips traveled

far and wide, a lot of headlines about the podcast. But lost in the headlines was a conversation

that I thought was really important about what the Democratic Party needs to do better, what

Democrats need to do more of,

particularly as it relates to long-form podcasts, getting, as Charlie said, out of these

unsanitized conversations into the wild and connecting with folks in a more risky, more raw,

and at times more emotional way. We pick up on this clip of that part

of our conversation with this is Charlie Kirk. I'm part of it, and credit to you for doing

long-form podcasting, because long-form podcasting does penetrate different audiences, right?

And our show does very well. But part of the problem of the Democrat

Party that for the health of the country would be great to change is that Democrats cannot

survive in long-form podcasting environments. Why? It's too unscripted. It's too masculine,

honestly. What is it masculine about a podcast? Honestly, because I get the whole manosphere

that's bro-pacost up. To go into the wilderness with no rules and duel it out and see who's better or who's stronger. No, seriously. I mean, like what Democrats? No, I mean, like, we don't do it. You're right. For whatever reason, don't do it. You can laugh, but like who in the Democrat Party? We're not. You're right. We'll go. I mean, maybe Bernie Sanders, but he only was a Democrat.

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