Hitting a target like this, especially if they're partnered, an hour goes really fast.

We talk about our electronic warfare capabilities and our cyber capabilities, but you really

don't know how they're going to perform until you actually test them against a real opponent.

The big thing we learn there is you can't be stationary.

You got to be moving.

We call it bucket speed.

You don't fly slower than 60 knots anywhere.

How do we grow this capability, right?

And it really came out of, you know, the fiasco of Desert One in Operation Eagle Claw.

Hey, welcome back to the MWI podcast, brought to you with the generous support to the

West Point Class of 1974.

I'm John Amble, and on this episode, we're discussing the raid conducted by U.S. forces

along with law enforcement personnel to capture Venezuelan President Nicholas Maduro.

The operation triggered no shortage of public discussion, much of it about the political context,

the geopolitical and strategic implications, and questions of policy and law.

But this conversation examines it strictly as a military operation.

What lessons can we learn from its planning and conduct, for example?

And how do the capabilities that made the operation successful apply in a large-scale

conflict? I'm joined in this episode by two guests who have extensive military experience

that makes them exceptionally well-suited to explore these questions. Liam Collins is a retired

U.S. Army colonel who spent much of his career in special operations units, including deployments

around the world.

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