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The Lawfare Podcast

An Update on Ukraine

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🗓️ 25 September 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

For the past several months, Ukraine has been engaged in a grinding counteroffensive aimed at retaking lost territory from Russian invaders. Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky joined President Biden for the U.N. General Assembly meeting in New York to make the case for continued support of Ukraine's efforts—a message they then repeated to members of Congress concerning whether to move forward a much-needed aid package.

To discuss the state of the Ukraine offensive and where it sits in the broader political context, Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with two leading experts: Eric Ciaramella and Dara Massicot, both of whom are senior fellows in the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. They discussed the state of the counteroffensive, how Zelensky's pitches in New York and D.C. went, and where the conflict seems likely to head in this next phase.

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no bull, and the aftermath.

0:33.9

They're already trying to get their defense economy more online so that they can produce

0:39.2

more shells, produce more missiles. They're getting the legal mechanisms ready for a better

0:46.8

and bigger, more efficient mobilization if they need to go to that well again. So, you know,

0:52.3

trash is playing for time, they want time. Ukraine, I think, is acutely, Ukrainian leadership

0:58.6

is acutely aware that, and I, it seems to me looking at them that they feel pressure to

1:05.5

show progress, like not that anyone's pressuring them, but that they want to continue to demonstrate

1:11.5

progress and stay in the news so that people won't forget about them and move on. And

1:16.2

that's, you know, partially from experience like nine years ago that they had. So, there's

1:21.3

a lot of different factors. And I think in the months ahead all the way up to November

1:26.5

of 24, we're going to start to see different types of political influences coming here

1:33.5

in a stronger way on, on battlefield decisions and potentially battlefield outcomes.

1:39.1

I'm Scott Anderson and this is the LawFair podcast for September 25, 2023. For the past

1:44.9

several months, Ukraine has been engaged in a grinding counteroffensive aimed at retaking

1:49.2

the lost territory from Russian invaders. Last week, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky

1:53.7

joined President Biden for the UN General Assembly meeting in New York to make the case

1:57.3

for continued support of Ukraine's efforts, a message that they then repeated to members

2:01.0

of Congress, considering whether to move forward a much needed aid package. To discuss

2:05.6

the state of the Ukraine counteroffensive and where it sits in the broader political

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