Government is simply the agency or the institution that God has established to make sure it's running the right way.

This says the church is the right institution to take care of things in the spiritual realm.

Dr. Joel Beerman, author of The Issues, Et cetera, Book of the Month, The Two Realms and the Separation of Church and State.

So the Church and the State are those institutions charged with the oversight of their particular realm,

but the realm is much more expansive than just those two institutions.

Learn more about the two realms and the separation of church and state at issues etc.org.

Music We have been following the case of Dr. Pivey Rossinen and Bishop, Johanna Poyola, for years now.

It's a case in Finland that has been stretching out and stretching out.

One would think that it would barely have gotten off the ground when the police, at the very

first complaint against Paivi-Rosnan, refused to bring criminal charges. That was not good enough

for the prosecutor. And it's made its way all the way to the Finnish Supreme Court.

Yesterday, both of those plaintiffs were able to testify before the Finnish Supreme Court.

What happened there?

Joining us for an update on a freedom of speech and religion case involving Lutheran leaders in Finland,

Lorkin Price, legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom International.

ADF is providing legal defense

for the defendant's Puyah Rosson and Bishop Johanna Poyola. And he joins us from London.

Lorkin, welcome back. Thank you. You were at the hearings before the Supreme Court of Finland

yesterday. Tell us what happened?

That's correct, Todd. Yesterday was the final stage, we hope,

in what's been nearly seven years of proceedings against Bishop Johanna and Pivey,

starting with the police investigation all those years ago and ultimately culminating now in the Supreme Court hearing,

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