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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Untold Story podcast. Today I have the pleasure of speaking with Betsy DeVos, the former secretary of education in the Trump administration. And today is a big day because she has just published her first book.

It's called Hostages No More, the Fight for Education Freedom, and the Future of the American Child.

And Betsy has, you know, she didn't begin this work when she became Secretary of Education. She began this work over 30 years ago, working for school choice,

working for education reform, and all of these things that mean a lot to you, right, Betsy?

I did indeed, Martha. And it's been a laborer of love to get this book completed. And I'm

excited that it's finally out today. You know, what do you hope in terms of

outcomes from this book? And I know there's some legislation that you've been working on as well.

Tell us about that. And then I want to kind of dig deeper. Well, this is really a book about how we

fix American education. And it comes with some ideas about what parents can do, what grandparents,

friends and neighbors can do,

some policy ideas, things that have worked in states and that we need to continue to help facilitate passage at every state level to really free up families to choose and direct where

their kids get their education. And what's happening on the legislative side of it? What are you hopeful to see in terms of

things that would kind of encode the ability for parents to do just that?

Well, for states to emulate states like Florida, that has come the farthest in providing

education freedom options for families there and continues

to add more every year.

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