I want to start today's show with a public service announcement from a professional interior designer.

I asked her how those of us without an interior designer could spruce up our homes,

and she said, first of all, your house is probably too cluttered, and there's an easy solution.

Let go of things. Let go. Clear out, clean out. That's Julie Ann Birch. She's an interior designer based in

New York City. Yeah, just letting go of things and clearing things out. And we all have that

pair of shoes. We don't want to throw away or that, whatever. Probably that's the first thing that

comes to mind. It's just clearing space for new, the things that accumulate.

Mm-hmm.

And I'd say leather sofas.

Sorry, I just, I can't.

You couldn't resist.

I mean, I see leather sofas, and I just think about sticking to them.

And I just, they're never a good idea, but you see them all over the place.

It's funny.

I love to do

air bann bs and things that's the first thing i look at is no leather sofas that should be one of

the options on the filtering exactly maybe it will be now hey i'm I'm Dan Heath, and this is what it's like to be.

In every episode, we walk in the shoes of someone from a different profession,

a creative director, an ocean lifeguard, a high school principal.

We want to know what they do all day at work.

Today, we'll ask Julianne Birch what it's like to be an interior designer. We'll talk about how

interior designers get paid, how you get a piano out of a high floor building in Manhattan,

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