An Insider's View of RFK, Jr. and the Risks to Public Health
The Mona Charen Show
The Bulwark
4.5 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 17 March 2025
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
REFERENCES:
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Dr. Paul Offit’s Books:
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Deadly Choices: How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All
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The Cutter Incident(about a polio vaccine gone wrong)
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Deadly Choices: How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All
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Historical Vaccine References:
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The Cutter Incident (1950s polio vaccine failure)
- The history of polio, iron lungs, and the development of the Salk and Sabin vaccines.
- The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
- The impact of vaccines on childhood diseases like diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, and rotavirus.
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The Cutter Incident (1950s polio vaccine failure)
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Andrew Wakefield and Vaccine-Autism Misinformation:
- Wakefield’s 1998 Lancet paper (later retracted) linking MMR vaccines to autism.
- The role of The Lancet and editor Richard Horton.
- The legal and financial conflicts of interest that led to Wakefield’s discrediting.
- Wakefield’s 1998 Lancet paper (later retracted) linking MMR vaccines to autism.
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Anti-Vaccine Movement History:
- The Anti-Vaccination League (1800s opposition to smallpox vaccine).
- NBC’s DPT Vaccine Roulette (1980s), which fueled fears about the whooping cough vaccine.
- RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine activism and misinformation campaigns.
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The impact of anti-vaccine movements in places like Samoa, leading to deadly measles outbreaks.
- The Anti-Vaccination League (1800s opposition to smallpox vaccine).
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Current Vaccine Issues and Policy Changes:
- RFK Jr.'s role in the U.S. Health and Human Services (HHS) and vaccine policy.
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The cancellation of the FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee meeting.
- RFK Jr.'s role in the U.S. Health and Human Services (HHS) and vaccine policy.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Mona Charrin show. I'm delighted to be joined today by Dr. Paul Offutt. |
| 0:10.0 | Dr. Offett is one of the nation's foremost experts on vaccines and vaccine misinformation. |
| 0:17.2 | He is the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, and he's the author of countless scholarly |
| 0:22.9 | articles, as well as a number of general circulation books on health vaccines, and where modern |
| 0:29.9 | medicine has gotten things wrong. His most recent book is Deadly Choices, How the Anti-Vacine Movement Threatens Us All. |
| 0:40.5 | Dr. Offutt, thank you so much for joining me. |
| 0:43.7 | Thank you. |
| 0:44.5 | I'd like to just begin by setting the stage and asking you to tell our listeners a little bit about yourself, |
| 0:51.7 | how you became interested in medicine, and specifically, what drew you |
| 0:57.3 | to the whole vaccine debate? Well, I think the real answer to that question is I'm a child of the |
| 1:05.0 | 50s. When I was five years old, I had a operation of my right foot that didn't go well. It was sort of a congenital |
| 1:12.4 | abnormality. And so it landed me in a chronic care facility and orthopedic facility called |
| 1:19.3 | Kernan's Hospital for crippled children, because those back in years when you could use |
| 1:23.9 | words like crippled and feeble-minded in the name of children's hospitals. |
| 1:29.2 | So I was there for about six weeks. |
| 1:33.1 | And when you're in a chronic care facility in the mid-1950s, you're in a polio ward. |
| 1:35.1 | So I remember polio. |
| 1:37.3 | You know, there was one visiting hour a week. |
| 1:39.6 | I remember children in our lungs. |
| 1:44.9 | I remember the so-called Sister Kenny hot pack treatments where they would take these excruciatingly hot packs and put them on with their arms and legs. |
| 1:47.6 | So children were screaming. |
| 1:48.9 | It was really Dickens book. |
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