He will not be charged for this call.

This call is from.

Christopher.

An inmate at Monroe Correctional Complex.

This call will be recorded and monitored.

Today's guest is Christopher Havens.

Christopher's a convicted murderer.

He's serving a 25-year prison sentence.

But behind bars, his life has taken an unexpected path, one of redemption.

And that redemption has come through mathematics.

Now, we'll discuss this shortly, but first, let's deal with the backstory.

Look, this isn't a crime podcast, and it's not my intention to explore forensic details,

but it is important, I think, not to ignore the severity of what

happened. In 2010, Christopher shot dead a 25-year-old man named Randon Robinson, leaving his

body in a Washington state forest. Christopher was 30 years old at the time. He was addicted

to methamphetamine. He takes full responsibility for what he did. He pleaded

guilty to second-degree murder and has accepted his punishment. In fact, much of what Christopher

is doing now, what we're about to discuss in the podcast, seems like an endless quest to make

amends for a debt that he says can never be fully repaid. We'll touch on this again later in the interview.

Now, as you've probably already figured out, I'm talking to Christopher by telephone.

We're speaking in 20-minute chunks because that's when the prison phone's cut out.

The sound quality is not ideal, of course.

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