And what did Johnson say? He said, lawyers are able to evaluate evidence and arguments.

You know, science is an argument in many respects. Here's the evidence, and here's how I'm arguing to a scientific conclusion.

ID, The Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

Welcome to ID the Future.

I'm Casey Luskin, and today we have on the show with us, Barry Arrington.

Barry is an attorney and former member of the Colorado State House of Representatives.

He earned his law degree from the

University of Texas School of Law and has worked in civil litigation, non-profit law, and constitutional

law, particularly in the area of First and Second Amendment law. In fact, Barry, you've had a

couple of cases that have reached the U.S. Supreme Court. Is that right? Yes, that's correct. I had a case in

2020 that was on the emergency docket where I sued the state of Colorado for their COVID

restrictions, keeping the churches open, and it was long, long, drawn out process dragged over

several months, lots of drama. But we succeeded in blasting open the doors of the churches

in Colorado in 2020. And we have a case coming up. Oral argument was actually just set yesterday.

It's called Childs v. Salazar, and that's going to, the oral argument, and that is going to be

the second day of the new term, October 7th. So we're really looking forward to that. That's a First Amendment free speech case. Okay, well, very interesting. Welcome to ID the future. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's probably long overdue. I don't think have you ever been on ID the future with us before, Barry. I don't think I have. Yeah. Okay, well, it's great to have you. you've been a traveler with the ID movement for quite a few years,

and you've done a lot of writing on ID in the past. And, Barry, you recently published a book

titled Unforgetting God with Inkwell Press. And I think this book has kind of multiple purposes.

Yes, part of the book is about Christian apologetics and does make an explicit case for Christianity. But another

major focus of the book is to deal with the more limited topic of simply making an argument

for intelligent design. So we're not going to get into the Christian apologetics material today,

but we are going to focus on your sections dealing with intelligent design. I hope that's okay with you.

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