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What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath

An Executive Chef

What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath

Dan Heath

Curiosity, Careers, Storytelling, Business, Human Interest, Jobs, Society & Culture

4.9820 Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Butchering whole alligators, costing out every plate down to the garnish, and perfecting grilled sweetbreads with Cindy Wolf, an executive chef. What was it like to cook for Julia Child? And what popular item does she wish she could purge from the menu? Dan's latest book is Reset: How to Change What's Not Working. It's out in hard cover and as an audiobook. WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pack". It's a curated Spotify playlist with some essential ...

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0:00.0

At 19, Cindy Wolfe made a decision that would change the direction of her life. She dropped out of college and moved back in with her parents who were in Charleston, South Carolina. She dreamed of owning a restaurant someday. And her dad suggested she get a job at one to try it out. So she got an apprenticeship at a fine dining restaurant called Silks.

0:23.1

I walked into that kitchen and realized within a day that this is what I want to do.

0:30.6

I just love the moment I got my hands on food. I love the moment that the chef came by and

0:34.6

told me my piping skills weren't what they should be. And, you know,

0:38.2

I needed to redo that. And he was like, mean to me. And that was good. It was good. I'm like, I get it. Yes, chef. I get it, man. And the pastry chef was like, here, clean these two flats of strawberries. And it took me forever. And she was like, now I'm going to show you how to do it the right way and quicker. I'm like, oh, okay.

0:53.4

She was hooked.

0:55.3

She quickly moved up to being a

0:56.7

sous chef, and on a rare vacation to Fort Myers, Florida, she happened to drive by a diner that had

1:03.6

an unusual specialty alligator. And I'm like, oh my God, I've never had alligator. I have to stop.

1:10.4

And I stopped and had it, and it had to have been fresh.

1:12.9

And it was fried.

1:13.8

And it was just so unbelievably sweet and good.

1:16.7

And I really didn't know what to expect from it.

1:18.7

I'd never heard anybody talk about eating alligator at that point in my life.

1:22.3

Okay, so decades later, that alligator memory came back.

1:26.7

Cindy is an executive chef now of a James Beard

1:30.0

award-winning restaurant in Baltimore called Charleston. She opened the place in her early 30s

1:36.2

with her now ex-husband Tony Foreman, and 28 years later, she still runs the kitchen. She's always

1:43.0

looking for ways to bring new ideas to the

1:45.7

menu. And recently, that Fort Myers trip came back to mine. I'm like, I should get an alligator.

1:52.9

So I call my, yeah, yeah, I'm like, how do we get an alligator? Here we go, chef. It's a good

1:59.0

question. How do you get an alligator?

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