Ted Audio Collective.

I believe that our burden if we are going to love people is to accept their love when we don't really want to.

And I understood even then, even in the haze of trauma and shock, that my parents wanted

me to live.

And that if I loved them, I was going to try to do that

that that was the most important thing.

From the TED audio collective this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 19 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Amy Lynn talks about why we find it so hard to grieve and to help others

grieve. to help others grieve.

We have no language for the grief that we are all in. Debbie's interview with Amy Lynn took place on March 7th, 2024 at Zivi's bookshop in Santa Monica.

The occasion for the interview was Amy Lynn's memoir

hereafter about the sudden death of her husband Curtis and the twist and turns of the

grief she experienced afterwards.

My first question is when I've been somewhat perplexed

as I've been living in your life.

Is it true that you've never tried coffee?

That is true. Never so much as a sip, which a lot of people do

think is kind of like sort of my most psychopathic quality. That's what I was my

next question was and I believe you think or others think that it's psychopathic.

Yeah, I think they just think that you can't possibly survive if you haven't tasted coffee.

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