Today, it's great to chat with Amy Chan on the podcast, Amy is the founder of Renew

Breakup Bootcamp.

I retreat that takes a scientific and spiritual approach to healing the heart.

She is also the editor-in-chief of Heart Hacker's Club, an online magazine that focuses on

the psychology behind love, lust, and desire.

The observer calls her, quote, a relationship expert whose work is like that of a scientific

carry Bradshaw.

And her company has been featured across national media, including Good Morning America,

Vogue, Glamour, Nightline, and the Front Page of the New York Times.

Her latest book is called Breakup Bootcamp, the science of rewiring your heart.

Amy, thanks so much for talking to me today.

This is a very long-awaited interview for me.

Yeah, I'm so excited to be here.

I'm excited that you're here very much, so I've been really enjoying listening to you

talk across various platforms, you know, not just your book, but like on Instagram, on

Clubhouse, you know, and various other podcast interviews.

So now I get, now it's my turn, I get to talk to you, I feel so lucky.

So can you, let's just start with this, you know, basic question of like the heartbreak

that eventually led to you writing Breakup Bootcamp?

Yeah, so I've been a relationship columnist for over a decade and I just was never able

to figure out love.

And then I found myself in a relationship where I was like, okay, I've got it, I'm living

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