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Welcome to AMR Trains, a podcast about training and racing and endurance sports. I'm Dimitie McDowell,

co-founder of another mother runner. Our joke around these parts is that hill is a four letter word,

and it is. But the reality is, is that hitting the hill not only boosts your strength and speed,

it also adds variety to the terrain and keeps things mentally interesting. Joining us today to

dissect climbing hills and to chat about a variety of other topics is Holly Brooks, who basically

eats hills for breakfast. Not only is Holly a two-time Olympian in Nordic skiing, she's also a two-time

winner of the Mount Marathon, a race in Seaward Alaska that has a vertical gain of about 2,600 feet

in less than a mile. So the average speed on that race is about two miles per hour uphill.

Holly is a triplet herself, a mother of three-year-old twins. She lives in Anchorage,

where she's also a licensed professional counselor who specializes in perinatal mood and anxiety

disorders. Oh my gosh, Holly, welcome. Thank you. Just reading your bio gives me goosebumps. I mean,

what life you've lived so far. So tell us about yourself in your own words.

Well, first of all, I'm the older sister to triplets. That's just one small detail, but

oh, you're the older sister. Oh, so you're the one of four. Yeah, you're a triplet. Oh, okay,

I'm sorry. No, no, no, totally. No, and it's funny. I'm just like, oh, no, I was like the bossy

older sister. So I guess I should own that. That's great. Good clarification. Yeah, yeah.

But I mean, that that was a great intro. If people aren't familiar with cross-country skiing,

we are the people that ski uphill while everyone else prefers to take the chairlift.

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