Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts - Guns, Weed, and the Forgotten Framers
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🗓️ 20 June 2026
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The Supreme Court handed down a unanimous ruling this week in United States v. Hemani, holding that a marijuana user cannot be stripped of his Second Amendment right to own a firearm simply because he sometimes uses cannabis. Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote the majority opinion, leaning heavily on the founders' own well-documented love of alcohol to argue that responsible substance use has never historically disqualified Americans from bearing arms. Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern unpack the ruling, note what it does not settle about the still-murky Bruen test, and reflect on how dramatically the justices’ posture toward marijuana has shifted since the "Bong Hits for Jesus" case they decided less than two decades ago.
Then, Dahlia sits down with David Gans, director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights, and Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center, to discuss his forthcoming Stanford Law Review article, Forgotten Framers: Black Conventions and the Second Founding. Between 1864 and 1869, Black Americans gathered in more than fifty conventions in packed churches and meeting halls across the country to demand equal citizenship, voting rights, bodily autonomy, protection from racial violence, and access to education. These conventions molded the Reconstruction amendments in ways that originalist jurisprudence ignores.
Gans explains how the Roberts court's colorblind reading of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments distorts this history by ignoring the explicitly race-conscious vision the conventions—and the amendments themselves—championed. He also explains how the Guarantee Clause, long a "sleeping giant," could still offer a constitutional path to combat partisan and racial gerrymandering after Calais and Milligan. Gans wrote about this facet of the history recently in Slate.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Amicus Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the Supreme Court. |
| 0:09.4 | I'm Dahlia Let's wake. |
| 0:15.4 | You have no doubt noticed that we are trying to cover the end of this Supreme Court term with less of that, |
| 0:21.3 | will they, won't they, breathless sports booking and a bit more historical context about how |
| 0:26.7 | the hell we got to this place of democratic airlessness and also how we may someday, |
| 0:32.9 | fingers crossed, find our way back to a meaningful and robust democracy. |
| 0:43.9 | This game of waiting for SCOTUS to punch us in the face for the last two weeks in June gets less fun every day. |
| 0:45.8 | But it's what we have to do. |
| 0:54.8 | So we're going to start with Thursday's decision in Hymani, a case involving the Second Amendment, marijuana, and a unanimous ruling that covered up some very telling splits and concurrences among the justices. Later on in the show, we're going to pan |
| 1:00.8 | back much further with David Gans of the Constitutional Accountability Center to discuss the |
| 1:06.7 | work he's been doing on the Black Conventions and the Second Founding, a profoundly |
| 1:11.6 | important resurfacing of forgotten history about how Black Americans crowbarred their way |
| 1:17.4 | into the fight for American equality and what it will require for all of us to find our |
| 1:22.5 | way back into that project. |
| 1:24.9 | They are kind of using every means in their power to make the freedom that they fought for |
| 1:31.8 | a real one. |
| 1:33.3 | But first, it's Opinion Pallusa with Mark Joseph Stern. |
| 1:37.2 | Hi, Mark. |
| 1:38.1 | Hi there, Dahlia. |
| 1:39.4 | How sore is your face from getting punched by the Supreme Court? |
| 1:43.0 | I mean, you get so ready, right? |
| 1:45.9 | You and I spent this morning talking about like all of the ways in which we don't sleep and we don't eat and we pace and we like gnaw our fingernails. |
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