Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts - A Huge Shift is Underway at SCOTUS
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🗓️ 13 June 2026
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Summary
The Second Reconstruction is being dismantled piece by piece, and this past month has seen that project attain terminal velocity. On this week’s Amicus podcast, Dahlia Lithwick talks with Stanford law professor and leading civil rights lawyer and scholar Pamela S Karlan, about a series of quick-fire moves from the high court and the Trump administration that, taken together, reveal a rapid disassembly of a series of hard-won civil rights laws in place for the past 50 years, known as the Second Reconstruction.
From SCOTUS decisions in Callais and Milligan, to a new memo from the Justice Department revisiting equal employment protections, the United States’ framework for multiracial democracy and minority participation in civic life is being swept away. This is about more than redistricting, primaries and polls, midterms and horse races. It’s a wholesale reshaping of what––and who––America is for.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Amicus Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the Supreme Court. |
| 0:10.6 | I'm Dahlia Lithway. |
| 0:15.4 | I'm not saying it's rigged. |
| 0:16.8 | I'm saying it stinks to high heaven and everybody knows that. |
| 0:19.6 | You really have created this world in which the Supreme Court has essentially said, |
| 0:24.8 | we're not going to protect democracy anymore. |
| 0:28.0 | Everybody knows instinctively something is wrong here. |
| 0:30.6 | And now the Supreme Court is saying, not only aren't we going to protect you, |
| 0:34.5 | but we're not going to let Congress protect you either. |
| 0:36.9 | We need people to believe in the integrity of our election system. It is critical to maintain a |
| 0:41.0 | constitutional republic. You know, if you want to say the Constitution's colorblind, it's hard to say |
| 0:45.8 | that about voting since the voting amendment in the Constitution talks about race. |
| 0:56.3 | This was one of those weeks at SCOTUS where we cautiously approached what might have been |
| 1:01.4 | a big can of exploding snakes on Thursday's Decision Day and instead just got a plain |
| 1:07.6 | old can of three worms. Mark Joseph Stern and I will be discussing that in our |
| 1:12.3 | bonus episode for Plus members and exploring why Justice Katanji Brown Jackson found herself |
| 1:18.5 | atop the mountain again this week trying to ring the alarm bell about what this right-wing |
| 1:24.4 | majority is up to when it says it understands congressional intent better |
| 1:29.2 | than, well, Congress. Go to slate.com slash amicus plus to become a member and hear that conversation. |
| 1:36.5 | But here on the main show, I am turning to one of the very smartest constitutional scholars that I know |
| 1:42.6 | to talk about perhaps the most fundamental issue of |
| 1:46.1 | this moment, a moment in which we are beset on all sides by urgent crises. That issue is, of course, |
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