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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast. My name is Freddie Gray and I'm the spectators' US editor.

And I'm here to tell you, as if you didn't already know, that the 2020 presidential election is now over.

And Donald Trump appears to have lost. He isn't going away, however, not any time soon.

And it looks as though the last few weeks of a Trump presidency promised to be even more crazy,

if that were possible, than the previous four or so years. We'll be discussing all that and more in the coming weeks. I'm joined today by Kelly B. Vlahos, who is senior advisor to the Quincy Institute for Responsible

Statecraft. And we're going to be asking if the foreign policy blob has fully returned to

Washington, D.C.

Kelly, first of all, thank you very much for coming on.

It's great to be with you.

We know each other from American Conservative days.

Yes.

And I just wanted to talk to you about this today because it seems to me that we are fully back in the Obama era.

We sort of knew that Biden foreign policy would be an Obama reboot.

But I imagine even you have been surprised by the extent to which it is just the same people,

just with slightly bigger jobs this time.

Right.

I mean, there's just so much going on.

But this recalls when Obama first won and was assembling his national security team in 2009.

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