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Hello and welcome back to the Americano show. My name is Freddie Gray.

I am the deputy editor of the spectator and the US editor.

And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the Americano podcast.

And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American politics, life and culture.

And that's what we talk about every episode on this podcast.

So please keep listening and provide as much feedback as you like.

I am delighted to be joined today by Sarah Beth Spragans, who is our audience editor.

And Sarah Beth wrote a very interesting piece about Ushah Vance a couple of weeks ago now,

but the piece has been doing quite well online.

So I thought I'd get you on to talk about it, Sarah Beth.

And let's start with, well, you did quite a lot of digging into Ushah Vance's past.

Usher Vance, of course, I should have said at the beginning, is the wife of J.D. Vance

and could be, some people are saying J.D. Vance might not run now in 2028, but he's still

considered a favorite to be, one of the favorites to be the next president of the United States.

And so she could be the first lady of the United States by 2029.

And I want to just start by asking, what did you learn about her in researching this piece?

First of all, I think I already knew that she was likely very smart. And that was obviously something

that I think most people understood about her because they met in school at Yale. But I figured

out just how smart she was, or at least seemed on paper, and just how strategic she seemed. That was something

that was repeatedly told to me from everyone that I talked to that had any sort of proximity

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