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Hello and welcome to the Americana podcast. I'm Kate Andrews, the Spectator's U.S. Deputy Editor,

and your guest host of Americano this week while Freddie Gray is away. And I'm joined by Spectator

columnist Douglas Murray. Douglas in your column for the magazine this week, you talk about the issue

that is probably causing the most tension and disruption between

Donald Trump and his most fervent supporters.

It's not the impact of the tariffs.

It's not even foreign policy, really, is the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Do you tell us more.

Yes, well, as you mentioned, Kate, as I write about in my column, I mean, the president is obviously pretty irritated at the moment because whenever he's asked about the Epstein case, it has been in recent days, he sort of says, well, why aren't we talking about trade? Why aren't we talking about all the successes in the country and so on? And so he really clearly doesn't want the agenda to be dominated by a man who died six

years ago now.

But it does keep coming back and I think it will keep coming back because everything around

the Epstein affair just sort of bubbles away.

There's an enormous amount that we, the public, still do not know.

There have been over the years, the decades, as you know, and people watching will know

many prominent people who've been tied up with Jeffrey Epstein. And of course, Donald Trump said on

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