meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Forbes Daily Briefing

American Open-Source Labs Think They Can Beat China’s Best AI Startups

Forbes Daily Briefing

Forbes

Business, Tech News, News

4.418 Ratings

🗓️ 26 July 2026

⏱️ 6 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Back in October 2024, Poolside was an early AI star. Cofounded by former Github CTO Jason Warner, the startup had raised $500 million on a $3 billion valuation to build coding agents for governments and large companies. But over the next 18 months, Poolside largely disappeared from view, while OpenAI and Anthropic ballooned to nearly trillion-dollar valuations with a crop of Chinese labs building open source models nipping at their heels.  Now Poolside is back with a new model called Laguna that on public benchmarks beats its American and Chinese open source competition — with the very notable exception of Chinese lab Moonshot’s latest AI model, Kimi K3.  "As an American company building for the West, we'll be the most capable open model in the West,” Warner, Poolside’s co-CEO and cofounder, tells Forbes. “Globally, in this weight class of the 118 billion parameter model, we are the leader.” Warner claims that the startup spent those 18 months where it went quiet building the infrastructure for a “model building factory” that could pump out Laguna and continue with new and more powerful iterations every five weeks. "The classic notion of model building is an artisanal process…We've built an industrial model-building process,” he says. By Iain Martin, Forbes Staff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

The Big Arch just got bacon.

0:03.1

More smokiness, more crispiness, more deliciousness.

0:06.6

With juicy beef, cheddar cheese and the Big Arch sauce.

0:09.7

Now topped with crispy bacon.

0:12.1

The Big Arch just got bacon.

0:16.2

Until 28th of September, 26, said from 11 a.m. subject to availability.

0:20.9

It was exactly two years ago today that the neighborhood of Oak Street

0:24.6

disappeared in the middle of the night.

0:26.5

On August 14, go back in time on the big screen.

0:34.4

I think that our neighborhood is moved.

0:37.5

Starring Anne Hathaway and Ewen McGregor. We're going to survive. I think that our neighborhood is moved.

0:40.1

Starring Anne Hathaway and Ewan McGregor.

0:41.4

We're going to survive.

0:43.5

What about the people who are out there getting eaten?

0:48.7

The End of Oak Street in Cinema's August 14.

0:49.9

Book tickets now.

0:57.6

Today on Forbes, American open source labs think they can beat China's best AI startups.

1:03.8

Back in October 24, Poolside was an early AI star.

1:14.5

Co-founded by former GitHub CTO Jason Warner, the startup had raised $500 million on a $3 billion valuation to build coding agents for governments and large companies.

1:17.4

But over the next 18 months, Pooleside largely disappeared from view, while OpenAI and

1:23.1

Anthropic ballooned to nearly trillion dollar valuations, with a crop of Chinese labs building

1:28.9

open-source models nipping at their heels. Now Poolside is back with a new model called

...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in 26 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Forbes, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Forbes and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.