This is the Mother Jones podcast.

I'm Jamila King in New York.

On today's show,

on today's show, you can do everything right.

Send in every check and still get screwed.

And I, you know, freaked out because to me that was like eight months of my life just disappeared.

The incredible rage-inducing inside story of America's student debt machine.

Why is none of this focused on helping people get an affordable education, one that will actually help them get ahead,

and how the nation's flagship loan forgiveness program is failing the people, it's supposed to help.

I do feel a lot of personal kind of shame and guilt

and feel like I probably shouldn't have done this.

Also on today's show, has Trump's former campaign boss finally cut a deal,

and what on earth is going on

with this wild Roger Stone video on Instagram.

And was there any?

Here comes the word, collusion!

David Korn joins us with all the latest.

Stick around.

I'm Jamila King. I am sitting here across from Jordan Gaspore who's a digital

media fellow at Mother Jones. We literally just met like an hour ago, but we have something in common.

Jordan, tell me about yourself.

Well, I'm Jordan Gossporay and like you said, I'm the Digital Media Fellow here at Mother Jones, and I think the digital media fellow here at Mother Jones and I think the one thing that we have in common right off the back is we both are in student loan debt.

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