How do you make inroads into a system where at such a great disadvantage?

But ultimately, I think that he's too pessimistic because, well, the question is,

what do you do? You just curl into the feudal position and wait till they kick your door in,

and then you hope that Elon and his mercenary army of Wagner troops storms the times,

and it's like, then you're retreating into fantasy. Whereas in my mind,

there's still a lot of opportunity to make a good life and to carve out your own space and to

assert your own autonomy. And ultimately, I think that even small victories are the things that

inspire courage and others, and the small victories are, they have to be small to begin.

But we're experimenting, we're creating prototypes, we're working on strategies, we're passing

legislation, we're elevating some political figures. And to me, it's also important to recommend,

or to remember, like I described in the book, the black panthers were like, top of the headlines

in 1968, Nixon wins 49 states in 1972. And so Curtis hopes for a kind of CEO, ruler. I hope for

like a new Richard Nixon. That's what I hope for. And I think in terms of small victories,

you and Curtis aren't so different in that. He also, in his dark elf thesis, he also, I think,

is angling for a soft power through the season of the avant-garde, whatever you want to call it,

through culture top down. He's absolutely right in that. I mean, he's absolutely right in that.

I think you would, a lot in that regard. That is, I mean, obviously the only way that you can

shift the cultural consensus by being more aesthetically persuasive and persuasive in your messaging

than the opposition, which is an arena that conservatives have traditionally like really face planted

in. Oh, face planted, yeah. On aesthetic. I have a question for you about like how much of the

anti-racist and gender goblin stuff is really also like a jobs program to compensate for the fact

that we have a lot of obsolete people, obsolete degree holders in a stagnant economy.

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