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I'm Matthew Galt. And I'm Jason.

A specter is haunting Europe. Sorry I couldn't pass up the opportunity.

But seriously, over the past month, we've discussed a lot of specifics regarding the war in Ukraine,

we've gone over the role of tanks, talked about Putin's motives, and discussed war crimes.

What we haven't done really is look at the big picture. What does this war mean not just for Ukraine, but for Europe and America?

What is the future of NATO? Increasingly, at least to me, it feels like we're on the precipice of something new, perhaps a

little frightening, flavored with some old stuff from the last century that I don't like.

With us today to talk through all this is Charles Kupchin.

Kupchin is a professor of international affairs at Georgetown University

and a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

He's just written an op-ed in the New York Times that caught our eye

titled, Putin's war and Ukraine is a watershed. Time for America to get real.

Sir, thank you so much for joining us.

My pleasure to be with you.

Okay, so I want to start with something that happens at the end of your recent piece in the Times.

And it's in the title. You you call Russia's war in UK Ukraine a

geopolitical watershed what exactly do you mean by that? It's an inflection point as that.

It's an inflection point.

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