ALO35: Why Macro Investing Is Becoming More Systematic ft. George Patterson
Top Traders Unplugged
Niels Kaastrup-Larsen
4.8 • 712 Ratings
🗓️ 3 June 2026
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
How do quantitative investors adapt when markets, technology and macro regimes are constantly changing? In this conversation, Alan Dunne sits down with George Patterson, CIO of PGIM Quant Solutions, to explore the evolution of systematic investing from the 1990s to today’s AI driven landscape. They discuss regime detection, inflation risk, portfolio construction, machine learning, private markets, volatility overlays and the growing role of language models in investment research. George also shares insights from decades in quant investing, including lessons from Covid, the importance of model discipline and why communication skills matter as much as technical expertise.
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Episode TimeStamps:
00:00 - Introduction to George Patterson and his journey from physics to quantitative investing
03:12 - Why multidisciplinary teams matter in modern quant investing
04:13 - Inside PGIM Quant Solutions and the evolution of multi asset investing
06:03 - How markets and macro investing have changed since the 1990s
09:12 - The future of the 60/40 portfolio and institutional portfolio construction
12:11 - Private markets, liquidity challenges and institutional investor concerns
13:25 - Inflation, commodities and building modern inflation hedges
19:33 - Detecting macro regimes using quantitative models
23:26 - The hardest part of systematic investing: trusting the process
27:00 - Covid, model failures and managing regime shifts in real time
30:07 - Portfolio protection, options strategies and volatility overlays
32:01 - How AI and large language models are transforming quantitative research
40:02 - Fiscal risks, inflation concerns and the changing rate environment
44:26 - Simplicity versus complexity in quantitative model design
48:05 - Why markets evolve faster today and how models must adapt
51:08 - Retail investors, meme stocks and market distortions
53:33 - Emerging markets and where long term opportunities may exist
55:08 - The future of quant investing and the limits of AI hype
57:10 - George Patterson’s career advice for aspiring quants
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| 0:00.0 | You're always have to ask yourself, you know, are the assumptions behind the model still valid? |
| 0:06.5 | Has there been a regime shift in the data? |
| 0:08.6 | That's the kind of thing we worry about every day when we're using models. |
| 0:12.1 | We still see like an overall positive macro environment for risk assets. |
| 0:17.5 | But in many ways, the U.S. economy has been surprisingly resilient despite |
| 0:22.8 | all of the challenges that have impacted it. |
| 0:27.9 | Welcome to Top Traders Unplugged. |
| 0:30.4 | In markets, success doesn't come from predicting what happens next. |
| 0:34.4 | It comes from being prepared for what you can't predict. |
| 0:42.5 | In each episode, we go deep with some of the world's most thoughtful minds in investing, |
| 0:47.9 | economics, and beyond to understand how they think, how they prepare, and how they decide, |
| 0:51.3 | and the experiences that shaped how they see the world. |
| 0:56.5 | No noise, no shortcuts, just real conversations to help you think better and invest with confidence. Welcome back to Top Criters Unplugged. My name is Alan Dunn and today I'm |
| 1:05.1 | delighted to be joined by George Patterson. George is a managing director andIO at PGM Quant Solutions. He oversees all |
| 1:14.6 | portfolio management and research for quant equity and multi-asset teams. He's in the markets for many |
| 1:20.7 | years now. Previously was at Axioma, identifying by-side trends and market opportunities. He was CIO for quant investments at Bank of |
| 1:31.1 | Montreal Global Asset Management. And earlier in his career was co-founder of Menta Capital, a |
| 1:37.5 | quant equity hedge fund. His background is in physics. He has a PhD in physics and spent time at NASA earlier in his career. |
| 1:47.0 | So George, great to have you with us. |
| 1:48.8 | Great to have a proper rocket scientist to chat to. |
| 1:51.7 | How are you? |
| 1:52.8 | Very good. |
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