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Top Traders Unplugged

ALO03: Lessons from a $25 billion CIO ft. Elizabeth Burton

Top Traders Unplugged

Niels Kaastrup-Larsen

Business, News, Business News, Investing

4.8712 Ratings

🗓️ 23 February 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Alan Dunne is joined today by Elizabeth Burton to discuss managing a public fund versus a private fund, the challenges to those invested in the traditional 60 / 40 portfolio, the current outlook for inflation, performing above expectations, how to re-position a portfolio for higher expected inflation, fixed income versus real assets, categorising asset classes effectively, the limits of mean variance optimisation, using historical perspectives as an input into current decision-making, difficulties in the manager selection process, and how to simplify complex ideas in order to communicate more efficiently.

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In this episode, we discuss:

  • The outlook for inflation
  • Achieving high performance consistently
  • How to re-allocate a portfolio accordingly
  • Mean variance optimisation
  • Whether this time is different
  • Selecting the right manager
  • Simplifying complexity for better understanding

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 - Intro

03:30 - Elizabeth’s background and history in the investment world

04:55 - Elizabeth’s perspective on today’s markets

06:52 - Managing a public fund versus a private fund

08:14 - Performing above expectations

09:38 - The current outlook for inflation

11:31 - How to re-position a portfolio for higher expected inflation

13:57 - Fixed income versus real assets

14:51 - Categorising asset classes effectively

19:56 - The limits of mean variance optimisation

21:59 - Using historical perspectives as an input into current decision-making

24:09 - Whether this time really is different

25:25 - Difficulties in the manager selection process

28:35 - Choosing between macro and systematic investors

30:08 - The pitfalls of investing with macro traders

32:40 - Investing in a manager who includes crypto in their portfolio

34:34 - Allocating between systematic and discretionary managers

36:45 - How to screen for a good money manager

40:44 - How to respond when a manager is underperforming

43:48 - Process over outcome

47:04 - Working with consultants

52:27 - Lessons from a leadership coach

57:00 - Simplifying complex ideas for better communication 

01:00:28 -Advice for aspiring allocators

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0:00.0

I went to Chicago and I think we always have a preference for things that are rooted in economic

0:12.9

history and economic fundamentals to a fault, even when they kind of don't make the sense

0:18.0

currently potentially.

0:20.0

That said, there are no two periods in history that are exactly alike.

0:23.6

And you can always add a qualifier to them.

0:26.1

And I can't think of any time in history that's exactly like this.

0:31.8

But what you can do, and I think can be meaningful, is you can look at how correlations or how assets tend to move in tandem during certain periods.

0:42.3

And I think that that may be an easier context.

0:46.3

The one kind of wrinkle lately is like the Fed is very different than it was decades ago, right?

0:50.3

So that's kind of putting a putting them on the whole thing.

1:00.0

Imagine spending an hour with the world's greatest traders. Imagine learning from their

1:05.0

experiences, their successes, their successes, and their failures. Imagine no more. Welcome to Top Traders Unplugged,

1:12.6

the place where you can learn from the best hedge fund managers in the world

1:16.1

so you can take your manager, due diligence, or investment career to the next level.

1:21.0

Before we begin today's conversation,

1:23.0

remember to keep two things in mind.

1:25.0

All the discussion we'll have about investment performance is about

1:27.8

the past, and past performance does not guarantee or even infer anything about future performance.

1:33.7

Also understand that there's a significant risk of financial loss with all investment strategies,

1:38.4

and you need to request and understand the specific risks from the investment manager about their

1:43.0

product before you make investment

1:44.7

decisions. Here's your host, veteran hedge fund manager, Nealz Kostrup Larson.

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