And I was explicitly taught by white men at that time that when I spoke about oppression,

racial oppression, that I had to do it in terms and in ways that white people could swallow.

This is Sarah and Beth, your listening to Pant suit politics, the home of Grace filled

political conversations.

Hello, everyone.

Thank you for joining us for this episode of Pant suit politics, which is going to be a

very special episode.

But before we get into that, we want to welcome Allison, our new executive producer.

We are so touched by everyone's support for what we do here in the midst of a crisis.

And I can't talk about that too much or I will get all choked up.

I just want to say thank you and we are doing our best to honor that support and show

up for you in a variety of ways that we hope are really supportive and helpful.

We are so excited to share this conversation with you.

We both met Lisa Sharon Harper at evolving faith last year.

Lisa is a speaker and a writer and activist.

She wrote the very good gospel how everything wrong can be made right.

And she rocked our world at evolving faith.

And we were really excited to continue some of the conversations we started there on race

and gender and being an ally and what that means.

We were able to do that.

And at first, we thought, oh, we'll just both hang on this conversation.

We'll slip it in as a bonus episode.

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