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Pastor Alan Jackson has served as senior pastor of World Outreach Church since 1989.

Under his leadership, the church has grown from less than

30 people to over 15,000 local congregants. Alan, thanks so much for joining me again.

Good to see you, Kurt. Good to be back. Well, it's Independence Day. I'm proud to be an American,

and we know that we have an ultimate kingdom that we serve. It's not America.

It's the kingdom of God. It's the kingdom of heaven. But we're so grateful to live in a country like

this with so much liberty, so much freedom. What does it mean to you to be an American?

Well, I think first of all, it's about gratitude. You know, I have traveled enough.

I have been the Amazon basin in South America and seen people that have no electricity and no hope

of electricity and nothing but the circumstances of my birth have brought tremendous privileges

to my life, you know, and opportunities. I mean, if you're an English speaker, so much is open to you that other, for other people, they have to climb over a hurdle first. So the blessings of God have come to us that we didn't deserve them, we didn't earn them, we didn't qualify for them. We have liberty and freedom and opportunity and our kids have medicine and health care, schools to go to. Now, we quibble about it. We want it to be more free or whatever.

But we are goofy blessed.

And I think we have to start with that.

I have here a pocket constitution that keep with me, together with the Declaration of Independence.

Good for you.

Just some nice, just casual coffee time reading.

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