Hey everyone, David Kern here. Before we get to this week's episode, I just want to tell you about the

SIRC Institute Atrium Program. It's a one-year program that explores the foundations of Christian

classical education with online classes and discussions. The Atrium now features five different

courses, and participants can choose any one course or sign up for multiple courses.

These courses include our very own Heidi White, our very own here on The Closer Reads,

talking about classical pedagogy.

And then we've got Andrew Kern talking about classical rhetoric,

Matthew Bianco talking about Plato's Republic.

And then from West Callahan,

you can choose either the Divine Comedy or the Iliad.

So there are great options for anybody who wants to dig into any of these subjects.

If you'd like to learn more, head over to surcey institute.com slash atrium. Again, that's surcey institute.com slash atrium.

And once again, those courses are Heidi Wade and classical pedagogy, Andrew Kern and classical

rhetoric, Matthew Bianco on Plato's Republic, or Wes Callahan on The Divine Comedy or the

Iliad. One more time, that link is Circe Institute.com slash atrium.

And with that, let's get to this week's conversation.

Hello, I'm David Kern.

I'm Heidi White.

And I'm Tim McIntosh.

And you are listening to Close Reeds,

a podcast for the Incurable Reader

on which we are answering your questions

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