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The Lawfare Podcast

Alina and Scott Talk Ukraine and Russia

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2018

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

This week, Russia and Ukraine went at it in the Kerch Strait, which separates the Black Sea from the Sea of Azov. It's the latest salvo in Russia's (not-so-secret) war against Ukraine and its eastern provinces, and it's the latest thing that has the world talking about Vladimir Putin's lawlessness in his back yard.

To understand it all, Benjamin Wittes spoke today with Alina Polyakova of the Foreign Policy program at Brookings, and Scott Anderson of Lawfare and the Governance Studies program at Brookings. They talked about what happened this week, the international law implications, and the domestic politics in both Ukraine and Russia.

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This kind of leads us to this question today about, you know, what are the rights?

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What is this a proper thing for us to be able to do?

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And it's kind of a complicated argument.

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Ironically, the kind of internal C is arrangement is a double-edged sword.

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It does say, essentially, that Ukraine does have access,

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and should have access to the C of his offer of variety of purposes,

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but it doesn't set out very concrete rules about how that's supposed to be realized.

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I'm Benjerman Wittis, and this is the LawFair podcast, November 27, 2018.

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I know you thought naval warfare was dead, but this week,

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Russia and Ukraine went at it in a straight.

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You've probably never heard of the Kirsh straight, which separates the Black Sea from the Sea of Azav.

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It's the latest salvo in Russia's secret, not so secret, war against Ukraine over Crimea,

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over the two provinces in Eastern Ukraine.

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And it's the latest thing that has the world talking about Vladimir Putin's lawlessness in his backyard.

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With me in the Jungle Studio to talk about it all,

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are my Brookings colleagues, Alina Poliakova, of the Foreign Policy Program,

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