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Alicia Wanless on What's Wrong with the Discussion of Influence Operations

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🗓️ 8 June 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Alicia Wanless is the director of the Partnership for Countering Influence Operations at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and she has a beef with the current debate over influence operations. Put simply, we don't really know what works in countering them, and the studies of the subject all seem to be case studies using different methodologies and examining different things. Benjamin Wittes spoke with her about how we might improve our knowledge base on this subject, what kind of information we would need to study whether influence operations work and what works to counter them. They talked about transparency reporting requirements for the big tech companies, data sharing between companies and scholars, what a massive effort at research in this space would look like and whether it has any possibility of coming to be.

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You can always move it up a level of generalization that would make it easier.

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So you could look at all of the account level enforcement and bucket those types of data

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under one thing.

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I think we should be very clear in expecting that the data is not going to be uniform.

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