A Digital Contact Tracing Retrospective
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 7 June 2021
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
It's been more than a year since the first contact tracing and exposure notification apps for the novel coronavirus have appeared, and the apps have not at all lived up to the hype. In fact, they've almost invariably stumbled or not really worked at all. Jacob Schulz sat down with Alan Rozenshtein, associate professor of law at the University of Minnesota School of Law and a senior editor at Lawfare, and Susan Landau, a computer science professor at Tufts and a senior contributor for Lawfare, to talk about digital disease surveillance during the COVID-19 pandemic. What went wrong, and what are the lessons to be learned?
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| 1:07.5 | We all started carrying smartphones or cell phones to start with and then smartphones and |
| 1:11.6 | it's the radio in your pocket that can track where you are outside. |
| 1:16.3 | During the encryption debate, we're now talking about client side scanning, which would be |
| 1:23.0 | somewhat different because it would be a surveillance tool in your pocket. |
| 1:27.4 | But if we talk about having to use the apps, I don't know what that means for the general |
| 1:33.9 | public. |
| 1:35.2 | Are people going to be willing to carry around a phone with them? |
| 1:38.9 | If it means that it exposes, they hung out with their best friend who happens to work for |
| 1:43.0 | the competitor or it reveals that they hung out with a former girlfriend for a beer, I |
| 1:49.8 | think that the whole idea that we would have to use digital contact tracing or digital |
| 1:56.3 | exposure notification apps is a very scary model and one that has not been thought through |
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