The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please enjoy the episode. Hey everybody welcome to the call to mastery. I'm Jordan Reiner. This is a

podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work for the glory of

God and the good of others. Each week I host a conversation

with a Christian who's pursuing world-class mastery of their craft. We talk

about their path to mastery, their daily habits, and how their faith influences their work.

Today you're going to be two extraordinary innovators and strategists.

Their names are Ali Luellen and Nick Skittland.

Nick is the deputy chief of the Exploration Technology Office

at NASA, where he's focused on helping NASA, you know, no big deal,

Return to the Moon.

Allie is the director of the 1958 co-working space at the Johnson Space Center.

Ali and Nick are also co-founder of a consulting practice called Quite Uncommon,

where they help organizations like Campus Crusade and Al Jazeera innovate and shape the future.

They also wrote a terrific new book that we talked a lot about called What Comes Next, which

is a guide for Christian leaders to quote,

shape the future in an ever-changing world.

Ali and Nick and myself, we sat down recently.

We talked about the two unique advantages the church has for shaping

the future of the world. We talked about how to cast vision based on not the familiar

past but rather future possibilities and we also talked about why

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