But I genuinely think it's a betrayal of the isolationist policy that he wrote into office on, right? And the notion of betrayal is so piercing right now, I think in the wake of the Epstein stuff, this idea that you sold us a bill of goods, you are not who you said you were going to be. This, I think, war represents, it ties into the Epstein betrayal. It's its own sort of betrayal. And that's what's riled.

Magas hackles so much, or at least some MAGA folks. It's an emotional sense that, you know,

Daddy, Daddy said something to us, and then he lied to us, and then he lied again to us. And we are

mad at Daddy.

Hi, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of The Best People podcast.

This week's guest is one of my favorite people.

She truly is one of the best people.

On those days that I'm not quite enthused about anchoring two hours about the destruction

Trump has wrought in

America. My team will say,

guess what, Wags is on set,

and it resets the whole day for me.

So without any further ado,

the host of Runaway Country,

my dear friend Alex Wagner.

Hi.

Hi, my friend.

Thank you. Hi, my friend. That's a true story.

When I am feeling like, we're going to start with a war and then do the end of the rule of law.

I'm so scared.

And then do anti-Semitism.

And then we're going to do the people dying in detention, and they're like,

...