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Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Alex Spiro

Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Rick Rubin

Society & Culture, Arts, Philosophy

4.6 • 908 Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Alex Spiro is a partner at Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan and one of the most prominent trial lawyers in the United States. A Harvard Law School graduate, he serves as Co-Chair of the firm’s Investigations, Government Enforcement & White Collar Defense Practice. Spiro has represented a wide range of high-profile clients—including Elon Musk and New York City Mayor Eric Adams—and has served as lead counsel in over 50 trials across federal and state courts. A former Assistant District Attorney in Manhattan, he has also contributed to legal education as a faculty member of Harvard’s Trial Advocacy Program, a lecturer at Harvard Law School, and Chairman of the Board for the Fair Punishment Project, a Harvard criminal justice initiative. ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: Squarespace https://squarespace.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ LMNT Electrolytes https://drinklmnt.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Athletic Nicotine https://www.athleticnicotine.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter

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0:00.0

Tetragrammaton In any case or any battle, there's just always a lot of ups and downs.

0:30.0

It's like, you know, people say don't watch the stock price.

0:33.5

It's hard to find a clear road all the time.

0:36.8

It's not as if day one the truth comes out.

0:39.6

It is a battle.

0:41.0

It is a war.

0:42.2

And unless you keep going and going.

0:45.3

But I think ultimately what I believed, you know, as I'm graduating law school, which is

0:50.3

that the truth would come out in a courtroom, if ever, I think that's right.

0:53.9

Does it?

0:54.7

I think so. If the system works right and the people at battle are doing it the right way,

0:59.7

it does. Now, there's parts of this country and this system that are plagued by maybe all of it.

1:05.6

Racism and all sorts of other issues that are endemic in the system, maybe in any society. So I don't want to

1:12.6

say that it works perfectly because, of course, it doesn't. But, you know, if I'm handling a case,

1:19.9

there's enough attention on it and I'm locked in, I think the truth's going to come out.

1:24.9

When there's attention on a case, where would it come from?

1:28.3

Natural forces at work, you know, some people and some issues are more interesting than others,

1:33.0

and so people gravitate towards them.

1:35.1

And then over time, you know, they'll pay more attention to my cases because they're my cases.

1:39.8

If a case is a highly publicized case, does it change anything? It changes a lot because everyone is a

1:49.1

little bit more on edge, especially if they haven't been there before. So you'll see, I mean,

1:54.5

almost always, early on in cases I have when there's attention on it, a judge makes the wackiest

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