But my dad says, the way he explains it, he says,

well, see that ant pile over there?

He says, there's always going to be someone

that goes over there and they're going to kick it

or they're going to burn it, they're going to try to destroy it somehow.

They have no respect.

And he says, and then you see all these little ants running, running off.

He said, that's who we are.

We're those sets that got away.

We're the children and grandchildren of those that got away.

That's why we're alive today.

Couldn't kill all of us. heh. So, Don't go go on a hit. Well, it's really great to have you on the phone,

Linnata, and I was wondering if you could just introduce yourself

and where are you calling from?

Okay, my name is Lenata Ward Jack.

I live in Fort Hall, Idaho, which is the Shoshon Banach Reservation in Idaho.

Yeah, and you're a very important person.

I don't feel like a very important person, but I'm still alive.

Well, you just wrote a book, so it is really important and you were part of a very historic movement.

And I was wondering if you could tell me a bit about your background and leading up to the Alcatraz occupation, you know, how did you end up in Berkeley and how did you end up in the Bay Area?

Okay, I went out on the Bureau of Indian Affairs Relocation Program in 1965, and I was there in the San Francisco for a couple of years and began organizing with other natives in the San Francisco Bay Area and

went from a couple of different organizations, but then about that time Mayor Aleoto in San Francisco acknowledged the native community when he would come in to meet with say the blacks and the Hispanics and

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