You're listening to Unfiltered with James still new interview series in which I will be talking to people

or at least giving people a lot more time and space than they usually get

so that we can find out more about them.

I'm James O'Brien and this week's guest is Alistair Campbell.

Probably one of the few people who actually merits the old cliche, a man who needs no introduction,

but I am keen to talk to him not just about shenanigans

behind the door of Ten Downing Street, but also about some of the other events and elements of

his life where he's kind of had a ringside seat at history.

And welcome to Unfiltered Alista Campbell, our second guest, which is obviously quite an honor, and it coincides miraculously with the publication of the sixth volume of your diaries.

I had no idea. Have I just published the book book James. I didn't even know that. It made all good

book shots and even most mediocre ones. Let's start though with where we are now and then

work our way back to where the diaries begin in 2005 and where we are now the day of the

the interview is the day after the keynote speech at the Labour Party conference it seems

I don't know ironic significant or utterly meaningless that in the index of your diaries for 2005 to 2007 which culminating Gordon Brown assuming the range of power at Danish Street.

A chat called Jeremy Corbyn doesn't even merit a single mention in the index.

Aold was trees of me.

What does that mean?

And all does Donald Trump, all does Brexit.

Quite incredible, isn't it?

10 years in which everything's been turned upside down.

Yeah, I think within the Labour Party, it means that the Labour Party has changed.

There's no doubt about it.

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