Sometimes the brain can make a mistake and actually interpret danger where there is none.

And so we could actually feel pain even when there's nothing wrong with our bodies.

And even in these cases, the pain is 100% real.

And there's no such thing as imaginary pain, but it's being caused by our brains and not our bodies.

I might be all I can welcome to my breakdown.

This is the case where we break things down so you don't have to.

It's my be all it's break down. She's gonna break it down for you.

Because you know she knows a thing or two.

And now she's gonna break down. So break down. She's gonna break it down.

If you're not watching this episode of you're listening to it, you don't know that I'm standing.

And I'm standing because I have chronic back pain.

That has decided to be acting up and we happen to be doing an episode today with the author of a really, really incredible book called the way out.

And his name is Alan Gordon. And he wrote this book with a lone zeve.

And it is a revolutionary scientifically proven approach to healing chronic pain.

Why am I having Alan on? I'll tell you in a second.

But first I would like to introduce you to the most painful person in my life Jonathan Cohen.

Hello, my name. Hi everyone. I'm your top favorite pain.

Jonathan, do you want to tell everyone what it's been like for the last two and a half weeks?

Well, if people have been following us on the new MBB Instagram page at the all it break down, you could see my back.

You could see my him crawling up a very steep driveway. And that was, that was like probably almost two weeks ago.

Almost three weeks ago. We're almost at three weeks. And this is the longest that this has gone on. I've had this before.

What it is is there is nothing structurally wrong with my back.

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