Oh my god, hi, you startled me. I'm Dave Holmes. Welcome to Troubled Waters. The show that

treats popular culture is the most important kind of culture, because it's a culture most of us feel

like we're more right about than anyone else. Now, in this game, Troubled Waters, will pit

a pair of entertainers against one another in a pop culture battle to the ego death. To win this

battle, each of them will be called upon

to use their smarts, their rhetorical skills,

the great comebacks that they wish they had thought of

in the moment to earn the coveted troubled waters title

Punted Emeritus,

which will automatically give their opinion

on this new Star Wars series.

Must be great if every dude on the internet

is pissed off about it.

More weight than a civilians.

You are listening to Troubled Waters. Let us now meet our guests are first contestant.

Well, I mean, you know him.

If you know this show, he is a producer of this very show.

He is a worker owner in the Maximum Fun Co-op.

And most importantly, he's a producer and host of the brand new podcast series, Primer, which I love. It's Christian

Duanyas. Christian, welcome. Hello. It's weird being on this side of the show. It feels weird.

It feels weird to me. But we're going to feel our way through it together. How are you?

I'm doing all right. You know, I've been making a rounds around talking about primer it's been a good time you know

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