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The Al Franken Podcast

Al and Franklin Foer on Iran, Ukraine, Soccer, and The World

The Al Franken Podcast

The Al Franken Podcast

News, Comedy, Politics, Government

4.68.1K Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2026

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

We’re joined by our longtime friend, Franklin Foer of The Atlantic! We have a deal in Iran or at least an agreement to have an agreement. Even some Republicans are calling this an unconditional surrender. Al and Frank break down the massive concessions, which include a staggering $300 billion to reconstruct Iran, lifted blockades, and Iranian tolls in the Strait of Hormuz. And what does all of this mean for Trump and Netanyahu’s plummeting relationship ahead of the Israeli elections this fall?

Frank also breaks down the war in Ukraine, the situation in Venezuela, and ongoing tensions with Cuba.

Plus, we discuss Frank’s bestselling book, “How Soccer Explains the World: An Unlikely Theory of Globalization.” It was recently reissued to coincide with the U.S. hosting the World Cup. Frank explains how his views of world soccer have changed since the original publishing and why globalization never brought us the "kumbaya political liberalism" we were promised.

READ Franklin Foer in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/franklin-foer/

READ Frank’s book, “How Soccer Explains the World:” https://www.harpercollins.com/products/how-soccer-explains-the-world-franklin-foer 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, we've got a great one today.

0:06.1

You know, for a change, Franklin Four of the Atlantic returns to discuss World Cup

0:11.8

Soccer and the peace in the Middle East.

0:15.2

At least for now, as I record this on Friday, for those of you keeping score frank and I recorded our conversation

0:23.5

on Wednesday just after the memorandum of understanding between Iran and the U.S. was released

0:32.2

and you'll hear our immediate reaction. Frank and I came down on the, hmm, seems like we lost

0:41.2

the war side. Look, when the war began, Trump let Netanyahu convince him that this is going to be

0:50.2

easy, that all he had to do was urge the Iranian people to take down the regime.

0:58.3

Well, things didn't quite work out that way, and it turned out that the Iranian regime could

1:04.5

blockade the Strait of Hormuz. Who could have seen that coming? Oh, maybe every Middle East expert he talked to.

1:13.8

But he didn't listen, did he?

1:16.9

Now, nearly four months later, Trump declared that they've reached an agreement to end the war.

1:24.0

Yet today, J.D. Vance postponed his trip to Switzerland to meet with his Iranian counterparts after Israel targeted Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.

1:36.6

Hopefully the process will continue with the Iranians until very recently, of course, our bitter enemies, who turns out, according to Trump,

1:46.5

are, quote, very smart people, very good negotiators, but we've had enemies before who've become

1:52.8

our friends. Now, I don't think you'll see the Ayatollah in the buffet line at Maralago anytime soon,

1:59.3

but for now we have an agreement, which includes $300 billion in

2:04.3

aid to rebuild Iran. Now, Trump says the $300 billion isn't coming from us, but from a fund from

2:13.0

countries in the region. Now, I don't think the memorandum of understanding prohibited any of the

2:21.3

rebuilding money from going to the Trump Organization. I'm sorry, but would it really surprise you

2:28.4

if the Trump organization got a small piece of the action? I mean, maybe rebuilding Iran might include just one golf course or, I don't know,

2:39.5

the Miss Middle East contest.

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