Welcome to Spartan Athlete here on the Spartan Up podcast. We talk to some of the best athletes in the business.

They're going to give you tips and tricks and techniques on ways for you to conquer the course.

Welcome back to Spartan Athlete. I'm Matt B Davis here with none other than Air Force Ken.

How's it going, dude?

It's great. It's great day.

The last time we sat down, we talked a lot about a winning mindset. Can we talk a little about that?

Well, I think a winning mindset can we talk a little about that well I think a winning mindset

transcends anything that you're doing so if it's a OCR or your marriage or your

profession or just your inner

spirituality that you're cultivating,

it's completely transferable.

And you can see that.

You know, I think obstacle course racing is very important because it does build character like we talked about earlier today.

And you can see that and utilize it in every part of your life. It's an indispensable tool.

What has obstacle racing taught you over the last five years?

It has taught me to connect with adversity and the obstacles, right, to connect with something that challenges me and builds me as a person

instead of complaining about it or avoiding it. I embrace it because it builds me as a person.

And I do that in every part of my life.

Can you talk about what it's like to come out of the other end of a failure?

You have two options when you have a failure, right?

It can it can disenfranchise you or it can empower you, right?

You can blame the circumstances and the designs or other people, or you can say,

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