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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

AI Whistleblower: We Are Being Gaslit By The AI Companies! They’re Hiding The Truth About AI

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

FlightStory

Business, Society & Culture, Education

4.517.8K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2026

⏱️ 130 minutes

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Summary

The truth about Sam Altman. AI Critic Karen Hao reveals what 90 OpenAI employees told her. Karen Hao is an AI expert, award-winning investigative journalist, and former reporter for The Wall Street Journal covering American and Chinese tech companies. She is also co-host of the podcast The Interface and freelances for publications like More Perfect Union and The Atlantic. Her latest book is the bestselling ‘EMPIRE OF AI: Inside The Reckless Race For Total Domination.’ She explains: ◼️Why the US-China “AI arms race” may be misleading and politically driven ◼️The truth behind the Pentagon using Claude for military strikes ◼️Why AGI is a marketing scam used to consolidate trillion-dollar power ◼️How agentic AI like OpenClaw will automate desk jobs within 18 months ◼️The hidden human cost behind AI training Chapters 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:27 Why The AI Industry May Be Chasing Profit Over Progress 00:04:49 What 250 OpenAI Insiders Revealed Behind Closed Doors 00:10:48 Did Sam Altman Outmaneuver Elon Musk—Or Is There More To It? 00:14:47 What People Really Think About Sam Altman (And Why It Matters) 00:17:34 The Hidden Power Struggle To Remove Sam Altman 00:25:14 The Real Reason Companies Are Racing To Build AI 00:31:35 Do AI CEOs Truly Believe This Will Help Humanity? 00:33:08 Why OpenAI Refused To Be Part Of This Book 00:41:47 Why Sam Altman Was Forced Out 00:45:18 The Hidden Instability, What Was Altman Actually Disrupting Internally? 00:50:53 Ad Break 00:54:15 What Really Triggered Sam Altman’s Firing—And The Mass Exodus After 01:04:51 Should You Vote Based On AI Policies—And What’s At Stake? 01:12:30 How Robots Updating Instantly Could Change Everything 01:15:11 Will AI Surpass The Best Surgeons—And What Happens If It Does? 01:18:57 Are Self-Driving Cars Truly Safe 01:25:00 Which Jobs Actually Survive AI And Who Gets Left Behind? 01:35:03 What The Klarna CEO Reveals About The Future Of AI And Business 01:38:09 Ad Break 01:41:58 Is AI Quietly Eroding Meaning—And Impacting Health And The Planet? 01:50:52 How We Can Actually Build AI Without Putting Humanity At Risk 01:56:44 Will The AI Race Ever Slow Down Or Are We Past The Point Of Control? Enjoyed the episode? Share this link and earn points for every referral - redeem them for exclusive prizes: https://doac-perks.com  Follow Karen: X - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/7MVVs8B Website - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/ARHB0mk  You can purchase ‘EMPIRE OF AI: Inside the reckless race for total domination’, here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/CcrcHj2  The Diary Of A CEO: ◼️Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/  ◼️Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook  ◼️The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJbt  ◼️The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards (Second Edition): https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb  ◼️Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt  ◼️Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb  Sponsors: Wispr - Get 14 days of Wispr Flow for free at https://wisprflow.ai/steven  Pipedrive - https://pipedrive.com/CEO    Saily - Download from the app store and use code DOAC at the checkout for 15% off

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0:00.0

One thing I've learned from interviewing a lot of founders and building companies myself is that

0:03.5

trust is the real currency of business. It's the thing that gets customers to buy, partners to say yes,

0:08.5

and investors to back you. But as you grow, trust stops being just a feeling and becomes something

0:13.1

you have to prove. Because the bigger you get, the more exposed you are, customer data,

0:17.4

security expectations, regulations, all of it. And the risk of one small mistake

0:21.1

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0:26.6

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0:53.0

So much of what's happening today in the AI industry is extremely inhumane. But this is me playing devil's advocate. And logically, it could be the case that the civilization that accelerate their research with AI is going to be the superior civilization. No, it's not. This is a prediction that you're making, right? Emons making, Zuckerberg's making, Oppelman, Yes. And do you know what the common feature of all of them is? They profit enormously off of this myth. You know, I have all of these internal documents showing that they're purposely trying to create that feeling within the public so that they can extract and exploit and extract and exploit. So what do we do about it? We need to break up the empires of AI. You know, I've been covering the tech industry for over eight years.

1:31.3

Interviewed over 250 people, including former or current Open AI employees and executives.

1:35.3

And I can tell you that there are many parallels between the empires of AI and the empires of old.

1:40.3

Like, lay claimed the intellectual property of artists, writers, and creators in the pursuit of training these models. Second, they exploit an extraordinary amount of labor, which breaks the career ladder because someone gets laid off and then they work to train the models on the very job that they were just laid off in, which will then perpetuate more layoffs if that model then develops that skill. And when they talk about that there's going to be some new jobs created that we can't even

2:02.1

imagine, a lot of the jobs that are created are way worse than the jobs that were there.

2:07.6

And then there's the environmental and public health crisis that these companies have created

2:11.5

and how they're able to also spend hundreds of millions to try and kill every possible

2:16.3

piece of legislation that gets in

2:17.6

their way and will censor researchers that are inconvenient to the empire's agenda. But what I'm saying

2:23.6

is not that these technologies don't have utility. It's that the production of these technologies

2:28.3

right now is exacting a lot of harm on people. But we have research that shows that the very same capabilities

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