Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, St.S. Nation? No show open today, because I couldn't find the right button.

So we are just kicking it off. No show open. No countdown.

And what a wild surprise it is.

By the way,

this is Survive and Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And here, a show is so good.

It happens every Friday.

Great Scott.

It's your true crime.

Phil.

We haven't had the two of these guys. I think this is like the

second week, third week, third week, but we did hear from the grape Phil Waters that he is out of town with his

grandchildren and therefore he wasn't supposed to be here. Then when I popped over, lo and behold,

the grape Phil Waters. Uncle Phil is to be here. Then when I popped over, lo and behold, the great Phil Waters.

Uncle Phil is in fact here.

And I had invited Dr. Detective Troy Looney.

It could get awkward if he pops on,

but we'll have Dr. Detective come in as well.

Dr. Detective wasn't feeling great.

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