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AI's Environmental Footprint / Ashley Dawson

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🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 102 minutes

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Ashley Dawson returns to discuss his new piece at the New York Review of Books, "The Costs of the Cloud: How much power does AI consume?" "The Moment of Truth" with Jeff Dorchen follows the interview. Check out Ashley's article here: https://www.nybooks.com/online/2025/09/27/the-costs-of-the-cloud/ Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thisishell Please rate and review This Is Hell! wherever you get your podcasts. It really helps the show ascend the algorithm to reach new listeners.

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0:00.0

The

0:07.0

Bigger Jack! This is hell.

0:45.5

The planet's on fire.

0:48.7

So, yes, this is hell.

0:53.2

As we have discussed with guests on the show in the past, blockchain needs a lot of energy and water to make its many calculations.

1:00.5

Cryptocurrency and its mining for Bitcoins also is a huge drain on the energy grid and water, which is necessary to sustain life on this planet.

1:09.4

AI also consumes tons of power and so does what we

1:12.9

innocuously call the cloud. But exactly how much power we do not know because those behind

1:22.4

things like AI and the cloud don't have to report exactly how much they siphon off the grid it shares with the public.

1:30.6

In fact, it seems all that is incredibly, all that is incredibly inefficient and huge amounts of energy

1:37.9

are being wasted, which is not great when we are living in a time of increasing climate change

1:43.4

when we should be consuming

1:44.8

energy far more efficiently.

1:48.9

Of course, proponents of AI promote stories of how AI will fix all that.

1:54.0

Just give it time.

1:55.1

Sure, it's taking up valuable resources now, which are especially needed as global warming

2:00.3

becomes more extreme. Yes, it may be

2:02.6

contributing to speeding up climate change now, but at some point in the future, I guess sure

2:10.0

will solve all our problems, even the problems AI itself has contributed to, if not created,

2:16.5

or not? Probably not. Mostly not. As data centers are driving

2:24.9

energy usage through the roof to skyrocketing levels that we're not even certain

2:33.0

it will actually need.

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