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AI Conversation, Robot Trust, AI Music. May 18, 2018, Part 2

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Life Sciences, Natural Sciences, Wnyc, Friday, Science

4.4 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2018

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Should autonomy be the holy grail of artificial intelligence? Computer scientist Justine Cassell has been working for decades on interdependence instead—AI that can hold conversations with us, teach us, and otherwise develop good rapport with us. She joined Ira live on stage at the Carnegie Library of Homestead Music Hall in Pittsburgh to introduce us to SARA, a virtual assistant that helped world leaders navigate the World Economic Forum last year. Cassell discusses the value of studying relationships in building a new generation of more trustworthy AI. Robot assistants talk to us from our phones. Home robots have faces and facial expressions. But many of the robots that might enter our lives will have no such analogs to help us trust and understand them. What’s a roboticist to do? Madeline Gannon, a Carnegie Mellon research fellow, artist, and roboticist for NVIDIA, trains industrial robots to use body language to communicate, while Henny Admoni, psychologist and assistant professor of robotics at Carnegie Mellon University, teaches assistive technology to anticipate the needs of its users.  The pop hits of the future might be written not by human musicians, but by machine-learning algorithms that have learned the rules of catchy music, and apply them to create never-before-heard melodies. Those tunes may not even require human hands to be heard, because a growing army of musical robots, from bagpipes to xylophones, can already play themselves—even improvise too. We talk with computer scientist Roger Dannenberg and artist-roboticist Eric Singer about the implications of computerized composition, and unveil a song created by AI. (We’ll let you judge whether it’s worthy of the top 40.)

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato, coming to you from the Carnegie Library Music Hall in Pittsburgh.

0:10.0

Yeah.

0:11.0

You know, bit by bit, artificial intelligence is working its way into our lives,

0:16.0

and it's not just self-driving cars.

0:19.0

Look at the AI assistants that live in our smartphones like Siri,

0:22.6

or the ones that we've added to our homes like Alexa.

0:25.6

Someday, maybe soon, AI may be making phone calls to schedule your doctor's appointments

0:31.6

or even helping your children in the classroom with social skills or creativity.

0:36.6

But for AI to be most helpful to us, we have to trust it,

0:40.3

trust it enough to share our personal secrets.

0:43.3

And that's where my first guest comes in.

0:45.3

She spent her career studying how we build trust with each other

0:50.3

and then with virtual personalities.

0:52.3

And the key, she says, isn't necessarily building knowledge,

0:57.0

but rather asking questions, making small talk, and opening up to one another.

1:02.1

Justine Kiselle is Associate Dean of the School of Computer Science

1:05.2

and former director of the Human Computer Interaction Institute

1:08.7

at Carnegie Mellon University.

1:11.6

Welcome, Justine. Thank you.

1:12.6

It's great to have you.

1:13.6

Now, I know your work focuses on artificial intelligence

1:20.6

that has a visual component like an animated face.

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