From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

When Steve Jobs called Ken Burns about a new I-movie effect, he had developed as a tribute to the documentary filmmaker, he didn't get the response he'd been hoping for.

This is December of 2002, and you said, every Mac computer beginning next month, we'll have this on it.

And I said, okay, great. And we want to keep our working title. And I said, oh, what's that? And he said, Ken Burns effect.

And I said, look, I don't do commercial endorsements. And he goes, what? Ken Burns joins us to talk

about his latest series, The American Buffalo. The two-part doc looks at the close relationship between

indigenous people and North America's largest mammal,

and how white settlers almost drove the species to extinction. He also talks about how he makes

his series his way, and he shuts some light on that recently surfaced photo of him with

Clarence Thomas and David Koch. But first two buddies banter while I take a break. Stick around.

It's the business from KCRW.

I'm Matt Bellany, filling in for Kim Masters, and today we've got Lucas Shaw from Bloomberg.

Welcome, Lucas.

Great to be here. Thanks for having me.

Okay. So I know there's a lot of very important and often disturbing things going on in the world,

but today we're going to talk about this feud between Ari Emanuel, the CEO of Endeavor,

the sports and agency and licensing company, and Brian Lord, the CEO of Creative Arts Agency, CIA, the largest pure talent agency in the world.

So you hosted an event for Bloomberg this past week, and you had both these guys as Q&A guests at the conference.

Ari started the conference, and Brian ended it.

And Ari had some thoughts on Brian when he spoke at your conference.

I think what happened here, just to give a little backstory, there was a lawsuit filed against CAA and others by the actress Julia Ormond in which she alleges that CIA essentially enabled Harvey Weinstein in the mid-90s to abuse her by setting up meetings

and actively telling her not to report the incident after she was sexually assaulted by Weinstein.

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