Against the Clockwork Universe
Stone Choir
Stone Choir
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🗓️ 24 May 2023
⏱️ 120 minutes
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God is both transcendent — above all things — and immanent — pervading and sustaining all things. From the grand scale of galaxies down to the microscope scale of cells, molecules, and atoms, God is involved in everything in His Universe. Contrary to this reality, Deism would argue that God created the Universe and then stepped back to let it run — like a very complex clock.
Deism has crept into both our culture and the Church over time. In the Church, Deism often takes the form of a semi-Gnostic denial of the flesh via a denial of the consequences of sin. Contrary to this, the Christian faith teaches that not only is God involved in all things, but also that there are temporal consequences of sin that are not removed, in many cases not even alleviated, by faith in Christ.
The eternal consequences of sin are removed from the Christian by the blood of Christ, but the temporal consequences generally remain. A denial of temporal consequences is often tantamount to a denial of the flesh, which is a Gnostic denial of God. Right doctrine affirms both the flesh and the spirit, and God’s transcendent and immanent control over both.
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The second half of this episode contains a frank (and extended) discussion of sexual matters. You should discuss these issues with your children, but you may not want them to listen to this episode.
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| 0:00.0 | The |
| 0:07.0 | The Welcome to the Stone Choir podcast. I am Corey J. Mahler. |
| 0:41.5 | And I'm Woe. |
| 0:43.0 | On today's episode of Stone Quire, we're going to be discussing deism, the belief that, |
| 0:49.3 | what's called commonly the watchmaker theory, that there is a god, there's a creator, but once he set things |
| 0:55.7 | in motion, he basically just stepped back and let things run. The reason we're discussing that |
| 1:00.9 | today is that I think that Christianity has been overtaken by a soft form of deism. Maybe some of you |
| 1:08.5 | even listening have some elements of this deistic view in your |
| 1:12.7 | own hearts. Even while you confess the true God, you know, deism is a non-Trinitarian heresy |
| 1:18.3 | and an anti-divinity heresy in some ways. But the aspect of it that is compatible with |
| 1:26.1 | modern Christianity, which is to say not Christianity |
| 1:29.0 | at all, is the belief that God set things in motion and he just kind of vanished. |
| 1:33.9 | So the first half of the episode is going to be talking about that. |
| 1:36.8 | And then the second half, we're going to be illustrating some examples of how Scripture |
| 1:42.5 | talks about sin specifically having temporal consequences and how we fundamentally |
| 1:47.4 | don't believe that today, even as we say that we do. And just as an alert to any Roman Catholic |
| 1:53.7 | listeners, I know there are a few of you at least, when we're talking in that, we're going to be |
| 1:57.9 | using completely different terminology than you use in your own confessions. So please don't mistake us for being in agreement. We're actually in complete |
| 2:05.2 | disagreement. This is one of the reasons why we split from Rome. It was one of the principal |
| 2:09.7 | reasons for the rest of reformation. So we're going to be using some of the same terms you use |
| 2:14.6 | that mean completely different things. So this is going to be a polemic episode, but just no upfront when we're saying some of those words we are not talking about what you believe. A specific warning to parents, before we get into this, towards the end, we're going to be giving an example that is necessarily graphic and a sexual nature. We're going to be using one or two words that you may not want to explain to your children today. |
| 2:39.0 | So I would caution you to maybe screen this episode before you listen with family, as we know many of you are now. |
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