Hello and welcome to being well. I'm Forrest Tanson. If you're new to the show,

thanks for joining us today. And if you've listened before, welcome back. It's New Year's Week.

And this is a time of year that many of us try to pick a few resolutions and set ourselves up for the year ahead.

That's hard to do without finding something we want to invest in and care about.

But not caring, or to use another word that's become a bit popular recently, nonchalance is having

something of a cultural moment. The world feels incredibly chaotic. Nialism is in. Trying too hard is kind

of cringe. The elevator pitch is understandable. If you don't care, you can't be disappointed.

And most of us have had our fill of disappointment. It's true. Caring carries some risks.

But almost any meaningful and enjoyable life includes the right kind of caring.

So today we're going to be offering a defense of healthy caring, which means finding ways to

work with the common problems that tend to come with it. So to help me do that, I'm joined by

clinical psychologist, Dr. Rick Hansen. So, Dad, how are you doing today? I really care about

being here. I admit it, and I you doing today? I really care about being here.

I admit it, and I'm not nonchalant about it. You are not a particularly nonchalant guy, and I think

it's one of the things I like most about you, Dad. You are deeply engaged, and you care a lot about

whatever it is that you do. Thank you. And I think also, I certainly from the inside, feel a lot of equanimity and the intersection of caring and not caring, compassion and equanimity, let's say, is a real sweet spot. And a person can be both. They can be at ease with feeling vulnerably passionate and invested, while at the same time

rested in an underlying emotional balance and, you know, spacious peacefulness.

Yeah, I think that the difference between equanimity and, you know, nonchalance or nihilism or just kind of not given a shit generally is going to be something

that we're exploring a lot throughout this episode. But before we get into it, I did want to give

you a quick reminder about two different offerings from Rick that are actually kind of relevant to

this topic. The first is his Foundations of Well-Being course. It's this big

flagship year-long course. You've probably already heard a lot about it. But also, Rick has a

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