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Well I will say I think maybe my first border trip as a reporter to do border

stories was 10 12 years ago at CBS News. The wall that I saw

or the fencing is totally different than when I first went there. It used to be

this, I call it corrugated metal, it looks like crinkly sheets of metal, and was not very effective

apparently.

That's now been replaced with these giant fency things.

You have some visibility you can see through. It almost looks like rusty metal, but it's not rusty. It's designed to look this way and be this way, but it's very strong steel of some kind. And then as you you said many sections they've extended I forget

how many more feet maybe another 12 feet on top of the height that used to be there and

then one of the biggest differences, what you mentioned,

when I was here some years ago, I asked a Border Patrol agent who was showing me along the fencing or the wall.

I said, why isn't there barbed wire?

Because people were climbing over easily.

Driving over with ramps, climbing over, whatever.

He said, well, we're told we can't put up barbed wire

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