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Hi everybody, Cheryl Ackerson here. Welcome to another edition of full measure after hours.

50 years after a forward-thinking jobs initiative to help blacks and Rochester, New York,

they're back where they started, the question of why, and what other cities can learn from it in today's podcast.

Dennis Bassett pretty recently retired, December 31st, as Director of Operations for Ortho Clinical

Diagnostics. He's also worked at Bowshen Lomb, and Kodak in High Ranking Positions,

and as an African-American working at Kodak back in the 1970s, where it was headquartered in

Rochester, he has a unique perspective after all these years on a jobs program begun in Rochester.

40 percent black population there, many poor, terrible school system, riots and racial strife

in the 60s, all of that led way to the giant corporations headquartered in Rochester,

starting jobs initiatives to help open up jobs to local blacks. But more than 50 years later,

things seem no better in general for so many of the black residents in Rochester who remain

largely unemployed and in poverty, at a rate higher than other racial groups, and at a rate even

higher than their African-American counterparts in other American cities. So what happened?

What went wrong and what can other cities learn as they grapple with these very same issues in 2022?

That's the topic of this week's cover story on full measure. That'll be on Sunday,

February 20th. You'll hear from Bassett and a lot of other folks in the story.

But in today's podcast, an extended discussion with Dennis Bassett about

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